Welcome to the very first show of "WebSeriesOnFire.com." In my podcast I'll be sharing the stories and journey's of the creators of the hottest new web series in the entertainment industry. My guest is Brian T. Shirley he is a comedian, writer, actor & TV host. He will be talking about his web series "BTS on the Road" & "Bengleton Socks". BTS on the Road is a web TV Series that shows people what it's like to be a touring entertainer. It shows the venues, the scenery along the way to the gigs, the entertainers, the audience, Club Owners, mishaps and whatever else happens on the road. His other web series Bengleton Socks is about a fictional sock company and these short comedic episodes center around Bengleton Socks
In this episode I interview Caytha Jentis. Caytha Jentis is a former literary agent. She has written, produced and directed a number of award-winning features including Bad Parents starring Janeane Garofalo, Cheri Oteri, Christopher Titus and Kristen Johnston (Cinedigm), And Then Came Love starring Vanessa Williams and Eartha Kitt (Warner Bros), and The One starring Jon Prescott (TLA Releasing). She has an MFA from UCLA in screenwriting and a BS in TV/film from Syracuse University. She is a member of the Producers Guild and NYWIFT. She is also the creator of the web series "The Other F Word", which has been #1 on Amazon streaming. 'The Other F Word' is an edgy comedy about a group of friends who find that the angst of raising kids may be nothing compared to the angst of starting over after they are grown.
In this episode I will be interviewing Summer Chastant. Summer is the creator, executive producer, writer, and lead of the original comedic series "Namaste, Bitches". She holds an award from The Kennedy Center in addition to working with Tony®, Emmy®, and Academy Award® winning directors and writers. She received her BFA from the University of Utah and her MFA in Acting through the English Department of USD/The Old Globe. Namaste, Bitches is an original comedic series about the "underbelly of the yoga world".
Kevin Bauer is a comedian, actor and writer who along with fellow comedians Dan King & Aaron Nemo created the web series "Good Morning Astoria". The web series is staged as a morning news show that covers local events, from the real to the mundane in Astoria, N.Y.
Our first international interview from Germany! I interview Alexander Pfander the creator of the science fiction web series "Mission Backup Earth". A brief synopsis: In the near future, a cosmic catastrophe hits us without warning. Unforeseen by any scientist, the Sun transits rapidly into a red giant. Having no choice, Mankind desperately tries to escape the solar system. The survivors become space nomads, seeking a viable replacement for Earth. The series follow the struggle of the survivors of mankind in their efforts to colonize a habitable exoplanet, where they need to install the so called "human backup".
In this episode I interview actress, comedian & writer Rekha Shankar. She is the creator of the web series "Hustle". Hustle is a video game-themed series about two WOC chasing creative dreams while fighting the supervillain of unequal opportunity. Hear her engaging story how she not only reached her Kickstarter goal but surpassed it to the total of $13,890 to get her web series on a fast track to production!
In this episode I interview Adelind Horan, Ted Day & Ben Wright Smith the creators of the web series "The Pioneers". The Pioneers is a comedy series about a couple who decide to spend the months leading to their wedding sleeping with as many people as they can, while abiding by a set of simple ground rules.
In this weeks show I interview actress, writer, producer and director Lisa Ebersole. Lisa's plays have been produced off Broadway and regionally. They include "Mother" starring Buck Henry and Holland Taylor, "Baby" which won Best of LA Fringe 2013, "Brother" published by Samuel French, and "People Die That Way" a Time Out NY and Backstage Editor's Pick. Lisa wrote, directed, and stars n the web series "37 Problems." The web series is about a struggling 37 year-old screenwriter who is all about her career, UNTIL she finds out she has one egg left. Suddenly she has to find a guy, freeze the egg, or do nothing and live a different life than she imaged.
In this episode I interview Rob Valle who is a songwriter and composer for film and television. Rob began playing professionally in the 80's in New York City, playing guitar for the rock band "Most Wanted". He started writing for television with the theme song for "Redneck Weddings" (2013) & "Late Bloomers" (2013). Most recently he wrote scores and a theme song for the web series "Class Act" 92015) and "Journeyman" (2015). His music has been heard in many short films featured in festivals around the country. Rob is the creator of the web series "Class Act". The web series is about Jamie Prescott, a 22 year-old "over the hill" child actress who has been acting since she was 6 years old; decides enough is enough rescuing Ariel, a young actress, from 'Zelda' the evil casting director. And in so doing Jamie sets herself and her friends Holly, Tony and Fritz on a path which leads them straight into starting an acting class. Singing, acting, shenanigans and DRAMA follow!
In this episode we interview Steve Strangio. Steve is a professional producer/writer/filmmaker/on-air talent with over twenty years in the business. Screenwriter, Playwright, comedy writer for Cracked Magazine, screenwriter for interactive films, writer for films, television, stage and internet, and producer of three long running, comedy skit/video shows. You may have seen Steve as the on-air host and writer for the television program "YOUR INTERNET SHOW" seen in over 4 million homes on WLNY TV. Steve is the creator of the web series "Steve's Clip Joint" featuring interviews with filmmakers, comic book creators, and trips to local Comic Cons.
Ken Davenport is a Broadway producer whose credits include Deaf West Theatre's Spring Awakening (Tony nomination), Allegiance, Kinky Boots (Broadway - Tony Award, National Tour, Toronto and West End), The Visit (Tony nomination), It's Only a Play, Mothers and Sons (Tony nomination), The Bridges of Madison County, Macbeth starring Alan Cumming, Godspell, Chinglish, Oleanna starring Bill Pullman and Julia Stiles, Speed-the-Plow, Will Ferrell's You're Welcome America (Tony nomination), Blithe Spirit starring Angela Lansbury (Broadway, West End and National Tour), and 13, as well as Daddy Long Legs, That Bachelorette Show, Altar Boyz, My First Time, The Awesome 80s Prom, and Miss Abigail's Guide to Dating, Mating, & Marriage Off-Broadway. Ken is also the Executive Producer of North America for Andrew Llyod Weber's Really Useful Group. He produced the award-winning These Magnificent Miles: On the Long Road with Red Wanting Blue, a documentary on one of the top unsigned rock bands in the country, and The Bunny Hole, an award-winning TV pilot that has appeared in the LA Indie Film Festival, the Orlando Film Festival and more. The Bunny Hole web series is a comedy in the style of Reno 911 about a struggling brothel in Pahrump, Nevada.
In this episode I interview actor, writer, producer Ward Edmondson. Jonathan Ward Edmondson was born in Eastern North Carolina and started taking tap, jazz, and ballet at age 9. Ward was into everything possible, including scouts, swim team, little league baseball, and choir, which eventually led to voice coaching and musicals in and after high-school. With seemingly boundless energy, Ward was a medaled swimmer and excelled in dance. He went on to teach ballroom and country western dance to middle grade students and adults. Performing for many various venues including local TV station appearances, Ward also went on the road with his dance troupe to win numerous awards and competitions up and down the East Coast. He moved to Hollywood in 2007 in further pursuit of his dream. He is the creator of the web series "Moonbound 24." The web series is about the first inhabitable moon colony man's last chance for survival. The last rocket leaves tomorrow. Forty billion want a seat, only room for 24. You have 60 seconds to explain why you should become one of the lucky moonbound 24.
Ben Rock is an American film and theatre director, based in Los Angeles. Rock's career was launched when he served as production designer on the independent sensation The Blair Witch Project made by fellow University of Central Florida graduates Daniel Myrick, Eduardo Sanchez, Greggory R. Hale, Robin Cowie and Michael Monello.[1] Rock created the infamous "stick man" symbol that became synonymous with the hit film. Ben along with Bob DeRosa is the co-creator of the web series "20 Seconds To Live". The web series is a horror/comedy anthology for people who hate happy endings.
Veronica Dang (Mary Frick) is an actress/model/comedian/ former scientist and creator/writer/director/star of Subway: The Series. Subway: The Series is an award-winning web series filmed on the NYC subway guerilla style (no permits, very little money) where you will follow the adventures of Mary and David while meeting lots of interesting characters. Every episode is inspired by true subway stories and features local indie musicians like The Saw Lady and Cathy Grier (aka NYC Subway Girl) who composed the theme song.
In this episode I interview the creators of the web series "Driving Arizona" Dylan Tanous and Joe Ahern. In this future-Criterion Collection web series, cousins Duane and Glen work for their Uncle Jerry’s airport shuttle service, DRIVING ARIZONA. If you’ve called Driving Arizona, and Duane and Glen show up at your door, you’re in for a real treat – odds are you won’t make your flight. Basically it’s a miracle every time they even make it to the airport. Sure, repeat business is slim, but Phoenix is a big market. As Uncle Jerry likes to say, “First Phoenix, then Tucson, then Flagstaff, then the world!”
In this special edition of webseriesonfire.com, I interview Executive Producer Brian T. Shirley & Executive Director Tamara Mcclure talking about the NSAEN Online Film Festival. http://www.nostringsattached-enews.com/onlinefilmfestival/
In this episode I interview producer/director Matthew Kreiner and actor/producer/director Alessandro Colla creators of the web series "Lemmings". The web series takes place in New York City, two men, fueled by the anger from the death of their friend, discovered how easy it is to trick someone into unwittingly killing themselves. Together, they form a cult dedicated to ushering in their new brand of natural selection.
Erika Robel is an NYC based actor, writer, and producer. She was born and raised in Miami, FL but moved to NYC to study acting at the William Esper Studio. You may recognize her from NBC's "The Blacklist," ABC's "Quantico," or CBS's "Bull" on which she has had co-starring roles. She also is the creator of the web series "Fully Engaged". “Fully Engaged” is a 12 episode web series about Erika and Danny, an engaged couple living in New York City and navigating the world of wacky vendors, crazy family, and other general wedding hysteria. Will they survive unscathed or will they get lost in all the insanity?
In this episode I interview twenty-eight-year-old, Brooklyn-based filmmaker Ace Salisbury. He says he was taking a shower (because that’s where all great ideas originate) when he was struck with a mental image of Manhattan surrounded by gaping canyons instead of rivers. Barren, dried up, this was a New York City with no access to drinkable water. He ran with this thought experiment. This wasn’t a zombie takeover, or a war with an invading alien species. To him, the answer was much darker because it was a human cause - in fact the cause of this imagined apocalypse was something very real: fracking. This became the seed of Everything’s OK, a “cardboard punk” epic web series that is a wild, surreal, zany, hilarious, inventive, disturbing live action/animation sci fi hybrid, and mades its premiere at the Cannes Film Festival in 2016!
In this episode I interview Becky Yamamoto. She is a writer/actor, comedic performer originally from the smoggy burbs of LA. Her past work includes solo shows performed at The UCB, Ars Nova, The PIT, Here Arts Center. She has appeared in a few web series: Jack In A Box, Escape From Brooklyn, Jared Posts a Personal and Two Jasper Johns. She co-hosts and produces a weekly standup show at the Beauty Bar. Theater credits: “Pullman, WA”: Chelsea Theater, U.K.“Songs of the Dragons Flying to Heaven”: NY Premiere: Here Arts Center, U.S. Tour and International touring. Vengeance Can Wait, PS 122. She is also the creator of the web series "Uninspired". The show is about Sarah who is having problems coping with her inescapable adulthood. When she is laid off from her dead end job, she seeks comfort from her often high live in boyfriend. When making her nightly trip to the wine store, she meets a strapping dude who invites her to his band's show. Against her better judgment she attempts to go to the show but instead meets a college gal on the street and traipses around the city like a dumb kid.
In this episode I interview Megan MacPhee. She is an actress, writer and producer. She is known for College Humor Originals, Fully Engaged and I killed my BFF. She is also the creator of the web series "(Un)Balanced". The series is about Melissa who is attempting to find her center. The obstacle is the insanity of living in NYC. Through 5 comedic episodes she attempts to jump into this "new age" life-style and is thwarted - either by her own conflicting beliefs or the the city that never sleeps
In this episode I interview Scott Rhodes & TJ Glenn. Scott Rhodes is an award winning Stunt Coordinator, Stuntman, Fight Choreographer,Actor, Writer & Director. He is also the creator of two web series “The Adventures of Super7even” & the spin-off web series “The Sandra West Diaries”. Super7even is an international man of mystery and the top agent for T.H.E.M! (A secret organization, sworn to battle the world wide forces of evil!). Superseven's code name is DANGER! His passport...to HELL! Follow the masked, crimson avenger and his lethal, beautiful and reluctant partner, "Sandra West" (A former agent of T.H.E.M), as they battle villains, femme fatales, monsters, robots, invading aliens, henchmen, assassins and criminal masterminds bent on world domination...And destruction! Sandra West is a sultry and lethal freelance spy and ex agent of T.H.E.M., who plays by her own rules in a world of danger and intrigue. Special guest TJ Glenn was born in Brooklyn New York, graduated from Parsons School of Design as a book illustrator and promptly discovered he was destined for work as an actor and stuntman. He has performed in over two hundred stage productions, choreographed fights for over three hundred stage plays, thirty renaissance fairs and a dozen TV shows. He talks about his involvement in these two web series.
In this episode I interview Kyle Valle. Kyle is an actor, writer, producer, director, cinematographer and editor. He is the creator/founder of Mewnowtv.com, Big Squid Productions and the feature film “Zombiecon.” He is also the creator of the web series “Journeyman”. The series is about Johnson Creed, famed USC quarterback who finds himself playing an entirely different game after his friends reveal themselves to be reptilian/alien monsters and he himself the savior of humanity. Following his three guides, Plebo the psychic, Kit the former special forces vet and Q the Nordic blonde alien, Johnson must quickly learn all he can in order to save the world and hopefully survive the process.
In this episode I interview Anthony Gaskins & Carl Foreman Jr. creators of the web series "Frank & Lamar". Anthony is an actor, producer and writer. Carl is also an actor, writer & producer. The web series is about Frank & Lamar who are best friends and may have outgrown each other. Living and working together since college has gotten them through life so far, but if they are to go farther, they might need to do it alone.
In this episode I interview actress and producer Fu Naiuli who created the web series "Lisa @ Large". Other guests along with her are director Eliot Gurrin, producer Marilyn Redfearn & writer Andrew Manapat. The web series is about unemployed Lisa who gets a job at a third rate gossip network, Inforoot. Her first assignment lands her in trouble with a major reality TV star running for governor.
In this episode I interview actor, stuntman & writer Ned Donovan & composer Marcus Bagala and they are the creators of the web series "The Hunted: Encore". The web series can best be described as brawn meets broadway. In this musical action comedy that pits a rockin' band of vampire slayers against a sinister bloodsucking syndicate.
In this episode I interview actress, writer and director Melissa Malone along with director, writer and actress Theresa Labreglio. They are the creators of the web series "Os So the Story Goes". The web series is about the Darling family that has a problem- the ghost of a maniacal and charming teenage boy becomes obsessed with the oldest daughter Wendy- this brings a band of ghost hunters to the Darling's door, lead by a vengeful leader sought on ridding the ghost that destroyed her life.
Mykell Barlow is an actor and writer from Atlanta, GA. He has written short films, web series, TV pilots, and he is currently developing a feature film. He recently created a web series called "202". The web series follows the tenants of apartment 202 as they navigate through life, new love, and daunting careers.
In this episode I interview producer & editor Jason Hagen and writer, editor and director Seth Anderson. They are the creators of the web series "Northbound". A series set in an abandoned, post-cataclysm wilderness, Northbound follows a handful of survivors as they eke out a daily existence and slowly unravel the mystery of an event that killed millions in a single day.
In this episode I interview actress, producer and writer Catherine Natale along with actress, producer and writer Eden Young. They are the creators of the web series “All About Manos”. The series is a story about two middle - aged women who have been friends since high school. They are searching to find their "mojo" in the "City of Angels" and through their desire to find out who they are they end up together forging ahead to find the answer why? Take a journey of making the impossible possible with them: from obsession to material addiction, Things that you just have to have at any cost to fill your soul. All roads lead to "Vic Manos." Will they find the true meaning of life and love? A dark comedy about a woman who is obsessed with one man she met in high school "Vic Manos". Geraldine Santini is in love. In Geraldine's eyes, Vic Manos is the one. It's a fine line between obsession and determination.
In this episode I interview actress, writer and producer Katie Keenan along with producer, writer and editor Greg Machlin. They are the creators of the web series "The Canadians". The web series is about two American intelligence agents posing as a married couple to spy on the Canadian government. The show has been on Funny or Die and on Amazon Prime Video.
Greg Machlin is a producer, writer and editor. He is also the creator of the web series "L.A. Beer" the world's first multi-cam comedy digital series, which was written up in Variety. L.A. Beer is a workplace comedy about a diverse group of beer lovers navigating the highs and lows of working at a struggling microbrewery. It is the first-ever sitcom web series taped in front of a live studio audience.
In this episode I interview writer and producer Andrew Pemberton-Fowler the creator of the web series "I Killed Susan Blake". When Susan Blake is dead, five suspects confess to murdering her. As the grizzled detective works to untangle the truth, the story hurdles to a startling conclusion and a shocking truth. They know who killed her. Do you?
In this episode I interview writer, producer and director Karlton Clay who is the creator of the web series "The Lyons Den". After the sudden death of their father, the Lyons siblings must come together as they navigate through the pressures and realities of life discovering the importance of family, friendship, and core spiritual values.
In this episode I interview actor, producer and director Cory Stonebrook the creator of the web series "Sensitive". The web series follows Cory, a Midwestern born and bred guy navigating the needs and expectations of NYC women. With help from his female roommate Layla, Cory explores what it takes for a nice, sensitive guy to find love in the Big Apple.
In this episode I interview producer, writer and actor Levi Otis the creator of the web series "underPAID". The web series is about six dysfunctional people working at a Group Home that has more issues and problems then the clients they should be helping.
In this episode I interview actor, director and comedy writer Brandon Aquino the creator of the web series "Manbeast". The web series is about four friends that get into inexplicably ridiculous adventures.
In this episode I interview actor/comedian Aaron Ross. Aaron is the creator of the web series "Training Wheels". The series follows the adulting adventures" of comedians Aaron Ross & Jordan Paladino, as they search for success on stage.
In this episode I interview producer, writer and director Christina de Leon the creator of the web series "Nasty Habits". The web series is a collection of vignettes featuring characters participating in their own addictive habits.
In this episode I interview actor, writer & director Marcus Kiehl the creator of the web series "The Bomb Shelter". Times are tough for Bill while surviving in a bomb shelter after the apocalypse, and are made harder once he finds out that his wife, Lisa, has been having an affair with former neighbor and fellow survivor, Frank.
In this episode I interview actor, director and writer Andrew Nielson the creator of the web series "Plant". The web series is about a well-intentioned church congregation facing the harsh realities of New York City living in this satiric comedy series.
In this episode I interview actress, producer & writer Courtney Rackley creator of the web series "Firsts". The series is about an odd pairing of a serial dater and a low key guy struggling to navigate their relationship through a series of wacky firsts.
In this episode I interview producer, actress and director Andie Bottrell creator of the web series “Seek Help”. The series is a about a child genius, now he’s a psychologist who’s losing his dog and his mind.
In this episode I interview writer Nathan Aaron the creator of the web series "Welcome to TATES". The series is about a TATE'S employee named Larry White, who unleashes a bunch of comic-book villains into our reality. If Larry wants to keep his job at TATE'S comics, he'll figure out a way to send them back and save the world!
In this episode I interview actress/producer Caitlin Morris & actor/producer Dolan Bloom. They are the creators of the web series “Sublets”. The series is about Will and Tess stuck in post-collegiate purgatory. This co-dependent duo is struggling to pay bills and find fulfillment while navigating life in NYC. Things gets complicated when their longtime roommate moves out unexpectedly and they have to get a new sublet ASAP as the rent is due!
In this episode I interview cinematographer, director & writer Scott Jeschke along with producer Zak Gross and they are the creators of the web series “Analogue”. The web series is a new monthly anthology series that follows a traveling writer as he tracks down a mysterious radio broadcast of his own unpublished stories.
In this episode I interview actor, producer and writer Nick Hunnings along with producer, actress and writer Kirsten Slenning. They are the creators of the web series “The Drive”. The series is about a makeshift family of five roommates struggling to carve their own path while living in Vancouver’s eclectic, diverse and unpredictable Commercial Drive
In this episode I interview actor, producer & writer David Hunter Jr. the creator of the web series “The Process”. The series is about a promising actor struggling to conquer his biggest role of all, life.
In this episode I interview writer, producer & musician Peter Hignett the creator of the web series “Gazelle”. The series is a mockumentary following French cosmetics inventor Gazelle La France as she attempts to launch her new lipstick, ‘Le Petit Chien’ in the UK, while her step-daughter Samantha suspects all is not as it seems.
In this episode I interview writer, producer & director Adam Green the creator of the web series “Horrified”. Artists from all sides of the entertainment industry share their most horrifying personal stories in this confessional - style web series.
In this episode I interview actor & writer Vincent Veloso. He is the creator of the web series "Changelings". Supernaturals have walked amongst the living for millennia. The wiser ones know the value of being unseen, Something now hunts them & the investigating NYPD officers & detectives, something that doesn't understand pity, fear or pain
In this episode I interview Steve Perri & Vickie Lee the creators of the web series “The Cuddy D Show”. The series is along the lines of “The Daily Show”, “The Colbert Report” & “Real Time”. They say the things you all at home are thinking
In this episode I interview director, writer & producer Eric Stalker the creator of the web series “The Teacher Project”. The series is about a teacher explaining to his viewers how tough life is as he tries to control a classroom of unruly kids, unreasonable parents and the bureaucracy behind the job.
In this episode I interview actor, writer & director Ken Arpino the creator of the web series ”The Queens Project”. The Queens Project is a fast paced comedic web series about two roommates, Gabe (BJ Gruber) and Ash (Ken Arpino), who moved to the Big City to become Broadway stars but reality -- and lack of talent -- set them on the a journey to become the truest and nerdiest versions of themselves.
In this episode I interview actress, writer & producer Jenny Jaffe the creator of the web series “Neurotica”. The series is about Ivy who has it all: her morning coffee, her OCD relatively under control, and a small but thriving business as the only Dominatrix in beautiful upstate New York. Unfortunately for Ivy, news of a rival dungeon coming to town has thrown her OCD back into high gear, and now she’s losing clients. Can Ivy save the business, overcome her fears, and find true love? Probably.
In this episode I interview producer, director & writer Bobby Peoples along with his wife producer, director & writer Renee Peoples and they are the creators of the web series “Dexter Jackson’s guide to Dating”. The series follows the life of Dexter Jackson’s trial and error of dating while exploring what it’s like being recently divorced on the dating scene.
In this episode I interview TV Writer, Producer & Instructor Bill Taub. Early in his career Bill has written for such classic TV shows as "Barney Miller", "Chips", "Dallas", "Magnum PI", "Newhart" just to name a few. He now has created a web series called "The G Spot". The series is about the Travails of Scot born Gordon Wells (Mr. “G”) who moves from the U.K. to L.A. – four letters that should never be strung together – to live the La-La-Land life in La-La-Life! And gets befriended by 'The Psychic Twins' who put his future in serious doubt! Let the games begin!
In this episode I interview actor, writer, comedian and editor Travis Grossi the creator of the web series "Travisty". Travisty is a new romantic comedy about overcoming apps and awkwardness.
In this episode I interview actor & producer Larry Blackman the creator of the web series "Dog Gone it!" The web series is about Larry Blackman a wannabe actor pursuing the “Hollywood Dream” until man’s best friend steals his audition and takes off with his career! Rejected and out of sorts, Larry is persuaded by his pushy sister Fibi to take advantage of this once in a lifetime meal ticket, and together they sign with Jorge Lopez, the hottest Animal Talent Manager in town, to take on Hollywood… doggy style!
In this episode I interview producer, writer & actress Bri Castellini the creator of the web series “Sam & Pat are depressed”. The series is about depressed roommates Sam and Pat as they help each other navigate the inherent awkwardness of therapy through profanity, humor, and take out.
In this episode I interview actor, producer & writer Gerard Flores the creator of the web series "Just Living" the series. The show is about Cody who has to balance his friendship between his existing friends and his new ones.
In this episode I interview actor, director & writer Brent Harvey the creator of the web series "Struggleing" The web series follows an eclectic group of actors trying to "make it" in Hollywood and their day to day struggles: from trying to survive, to trying to find love. Also interviewed on the show along with Brent is producer, actress and director Joanna Bronson who was co-director of the web series.
In this episode I interview actor, writer & producer Tom Malloy along with actor, writer & producer Scott Baker who are the creators of the web series “Midtown”. The web series is based on the true cop stories of former NYPD cop turned improv comedian Scott Baker. The show features Scott and Tom Malloy, star of the film Love N' Dancing (Dir: Rob Iscove) and graduate of the famous IoWest Improv Training center in Los Angeles. The series features real cop banter, and is based on situational humor related to being a cop in the NYPD. All of the dialogue is unscripted, and relies only on the improv comedy talents of Baker and Malloy.